Does every wife think that her husband is the most complex man ever created or is Marc really outstanding in complexity? Some days it seems like this whole wife thing could just break my heart. He is so sensitive and feels pain to the very bottom of his heart, but he is the most private person about his real self,whether it is happy or sad. It drives me to all kinds of wild emotions. When we got married, I was determined to be the best wife- I didn't want to just keep the house clean, make good meals, do his wash, and all the other things men want- I wanted to give him the safe place he never had felt in his life. I wanted him to know that any and every secret would be sacred and nothing that he could tell me would shake my love. I wanted him to feel confirmed by me, his wife. I wanted him to feel a real pride and value in himself as a man. I know that it has only been three years, and I am still as passionate about it all as I was when we got married. The desire for it is not the problem....I just don't know if I know how to do it. One day, in the middle of his terrible grief over Jas getting killed, a very well meaning and loved friend of mine told me that if I could not get him to open up and talk about his feelings, she was afraid he would become suicidal. That still makes me cry to write that, because I have never before or since felt like such a fundamental failure in all the things I was desperately trying to do. I mean--I guess that somehow a wife should know how to make her husband talk, but I guess I didn't know something that I should have all those nights that we lay in bed and he sobbed and sobbed. I tried and tried...but the answer was always the same " I don't know what to say." No question that I ever came up with made any difference. And even now, when there is something that is really bothering him, if he does mention it, it seems better not to press too much or he just shuts right down. But what if I should be asking something? Or what if he does want to talk about it and just doesn't really know how? One comfort to me is that at one time in our marriage there was something he did not tell me for a couple of months, and I could feel a distance between us, a subtle shift in our friendship. He finally gathered the courage, and ever since than, I have found a comfort that I was able to feel that, even though it was a carefully concealed secret. However, sometimes when I see "that" look in his eyes- that look of quiet desperation and fear, that look of almost childlike pain- doubt grips me and questions pound relentlessly through my head.
So all you godly, wise, and experianced wives....let me know what I need to do.
So all you godly, wise, and experianced wives....let me know what I need to do.

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Oh Lisa, You are the best wife for your husband. Just hang in there. You guys have a good marriage. With Jase dying, it took something so solid out from under him cause Jase was always there. But he has you, and he "loves your guts." (As H said about his girl.) With you, there is a tender side that I see with Marc, that I had never seen in him before. And you know that little "secret" thing, that sounds SO familiar. I could have written that myself. My question is how can it take 2 or 3 whole months to come out when obviously it was on their minds? They were never taught communication, and we gotta help them.
First of all...having a hard time communicating is more then a Troyer thing..cuz my man is the same way and he is not a Troyer LOL!!
I think if Marc has cried and cried over Jase dying..that in itself is a healing thing..at least it helped Dennis heal, to be able to (finally after many years) cry about his dad dying. Lisa you are a good wife..and Marc needs you. With you and Jesus by his side..he can find healing!! Praying for you guys.
Another thing I've found is that yes my hubby and I can have great conversations, but men just do not communicate like us women do. When me and my friends go out...we yack and yack about all our problems,joys and sorrows. But when my hubby and his friends go out...they talk about trucks, skiing..etc. They usually do not share personal things. Know what I mean? So maybe men just don't need that deep communication like us women do, but my husband knows that if he does want to share..I'm here! I am sure Marc feels the same way with you!! I don't know, am I making any sense?
Okay lisa, you said I could come here so here I am with my two bits worth. I have no idea if you're a good wife since I dont know you. But the others have said it so I believe it! lol
Have you ever read Men are from Mars Women are from Venus? Now I know it's not written all chuck full of Scriptures and all but it has keen insights into the differences between man and woman. You really need to red this book.
I've dated my husband Greg for 3 years. We've been married for 16 years. I still dont fully understand that man but I can say that my understanding of him is way beyond what it was after three years of marriage.
My husband talks about everything...eventually! He's a little more open than most men though. Sometimes all our husbands want is a touch to let them know we're there for him. When he was crying over the death your words would have probably not been as comforting as you would hope. Words dont mean as much to men as us women. Really about all you could do was roll over and just hold him while he cried. JUst let him know you're with him in his pain.
As the years go on and your love grows so will your trust and faith in each other. The more you show that you care and the more you stand by his side, the more he will learn he can confide in you. But be prepared, most likely he will never confide quite like your girlfriends do when you all get together.
On the other hand my husband does talk openly about his feelings and more so as he gets older. Sometimes when he's not happy with me I wish he wouldn't be quite so open! LOL
Thank you for all your kindness and understanding. I know it will take years of being patient and just doing my best to be the wife God calls me to be...and I DO know that he really thinks he has the best little wife ever, and that really tickles me.=) He doesn't tell me that very often, but when he does I just positively burst with pride! The other night after work we drove about an hour to pick up our boat. We ate supper, and drove home again. Nothing out of the ordinary or particularly romantic happened, but just before we fell asleep that night, he said " thanks for going along tonight. I like when you do stuff with me,it's lots of fun" and my heart melted into a big old puddle.
lmt I ask you the same thing I ask dorcas. Is thee sme reason you dont link other Mennonite bloggers on your side bar? Do they not want to be linked? It would make navigating the Mennonite blogs so much easier.
it's really very simple--I don't know how to do it and I don't know why I don't learn how to do it.
This should make you laugh or shake your head at all of us computer-illiterate Mennonites: every single time I look at your blog, I click on to you from a comment in Dorcas' blog.
Shoot I wrote it all to show you how to do it and then blogger wont let the tags be shown. So if you have an email addy email me at gtsawjata@yahoo.com and I will tell you how to do it.
Lisa, Arlene referred me to your site. I'm not very wise but I do feel for people's difficulties and I really feel for you.
As the others said, men are different from women. My husband is not a feelings guy at all. He lost his dad to cancer last November and I had this determination to Be There for him as he grieves and encourage him to talk about his feelings. Well. Every now and then he says he misses having his dad around the warehouse, and that's about it for Deep Shared Feelings. And yet I feel that he is processing his grief in a healthy way, for him.
On the other hand, I come from a family of melancholy men with lots of feelings and they can very easily spiral down into depression, so I think your worries/fears about your sensitive guy are valid. I see your role as 1)Being his number one support and believing in him--sounds like you're doing pretty well at that
2)Ask him what he needs from you--probing questions? Silence? Hugs?
3)Don't let him withdraw from the world and other people--keep him going to church, hunting with friends etc.
4)Get a commitment from him to tell you if he feels suicidal
5)Find other men (his brothers or pastor maybe) to confront him if you feel he's close to the edge and won't admit it--you'll know
6)Allow him to grieve on his own terms and in his own time.
7)Recognize that he may need to talk with someone besides you and tell them things he can't bring himself to tell you.
You can not do his grieving for him, you cannot make him talk, you cannot make everything all better. This is a valley of pain he has to walk alone. Obviously you and the Lord and others are there, but he is the one with the terrible burden of pain and all you can really do is let him know you care. If you have given birth you know what it's like--the pain is all yours and no matter how much the people around you care, you cannot give them any of the pain.
No one (including me) can really tell you what you as a wife should and ought to do--you know him better than anyone else.
This is a season in your marriage when you have to be strong enough to be 'leaned on' rather than 'leaning on.'
My prayers are with you.
Mrs. Darling, I don't have the links on my blog because, as lmt said, I don't know how. Don't rush me here--I did learn how to post pictures which was like a scrambled-eggs cook learning to make souffle.
Mrs. Darling, didn't you know that is in the standard book, you can have a blog but no links? :-)Just kidding. Actually, it is like Lisa said we don't know enough about computers to do it. I am working on the link thing on my own page, and then you will be able to "mennonite your way" thru blog-land. And the picture thing is hopefully still to come.
You girls are funny. I had no idea that according to the ordnung you couldn't have links. Maybe that means cuff links? You all should really look into that. You may be misreading it! Lol
I wish blogger would let me fully explain the link thing! Thats a real bummer!
Oh one more thing. Esther I cant get to your blog. Your profile shows a weblog by the name of Over a cup of coffee but it wont let a person actually get to it. I want your link! Waaaa!
Mrs. Darling,
You will find me at http://etroyer.blogspot.com/ You will also find that I have put some links on my page. I feel a bit smart about that cuz I figured that one out alone. :-) It is actually quite easy if you follow Bloggers instructions.
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